What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.

In general, whose problem is it, me, or the person who receives the
item from me?

My intention here is strictly to do the right thing. Please don't
suggest ways of skirting European regulations.

"Bearded Occam"

> What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
> Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.


** Wot - one device ?


LOL




......... Phil

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:00:34 -0700, Bearded Occam
<BeardedOccam@gmail.com> wrote:

>What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
>Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.
>
>In general, whose problem is it, me, or the person who receives the
>item from me?
>
>My intention here is strictly to do the right thing. Please don't
>suggest ways of skirting European regulations.

As some european associates told me at a meeting in Oxford, CE means
Can't Enforce.

John

Bearded Occam wrote:

> What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
> Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.
>
> In general, whose problem is it, me, or the person who receives the
> item from me?

It's the problem of the agent or distributor in the EU.

I'm not clear how personal imports are affected. The legislation seems to imfer
that they expect all affected imported equipment to be sold by a distributor or
agent.


> My intention here is strictly to do the right thing. Please don't
> suggest ways of skirting European regulations.

You could have it tested for compliance but that'll cost you many thousands.

The law says it can't be sold (in the EU) if it's non-compliant. If it's bought
outside the EU I don't see how it can be controlled.

Graham

Bearded Occam wrote:

> What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
> Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.

It's not the absence of a CE mark that's the issue of course.

You can buy an CE sticker if that's what's bothering you. I'm sure plenty of
that goes on.

Graham

John Larkin wrote:

> Bearded Occam wrote:
>
> >What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
> >Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.
> >
> >In general, whose problem is it, me, or the person who receives the
> >item from me?
> >
> >My intention here is strictly to do the right thing. Please don't
> >suggest ways of skirting European regulations.
>
> As some european associates told me at a meeting in Oxford, CE means
> Can't Enforce.

And there is no CE Police.

Graham

Bearded Occam wrote:

> What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
> Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.
>
> In general, whose problem is it, me, or the person who receives the
> item from me?
>
> My intention here is strictly to do the right thing. Please don't
> suggest ways of skirting European regulations.
>
You are not suppose to.
It's like you giving a kid a gun.


--
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On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 20:00:34 -0700, Bearded Occam wrote:

> What are the ramifications for sending a non-CE marked device to
> Europe? The device clearly carries no CE mark.

What sort of "device"? If it's a "component" rather than a completed
"product", then it may fall outside of the scope of the directives, and
would not need (and should not have) a CE mark. In general, if the safety
cannot be assessed without regard to the application, then it's out of
scope.

Also, certain devices are excluded from the various CE-marking directives.

http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_e ... /chap3.htm
http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_e ... dex_en.htm

> In general, whose problem is it, me, or the person who receives the
> item from me?

If it should be CE-marked but isn't, I have no idea where the
responsibility lies. I can't find this mentioned in the relevant
documents. They mostly refer to someone "placing on the market",
which is probably covered under more general trade legislation.

If you're selling to a business, it probably isn't your responsibility (if
they intend to export the item out of the EEA, there's no need for a CE
mark).

If you're selling to a consumer, it may be your responsibility. Consumer
protection and contract law normally consider the sale to have occured
"in" the territory where the consumer resides; conformance may or may not
be handled similarly.